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kriadydragon ([personal profile] kriadydragon) wrote2010-10-22 04:50 pm

Fandom Diversity (a.k.a Feeling thinky... and bored)

This is probably stating the obvious for those of you who've been around the block when it comes to various fandoms, but I find it interesting, as well as frustrating, all the subtle little things that makes each fandom unique.

White Collar is turning out to be a pretty black and white fandom. Either Neal had an abusive/tragic past or he didn't, you either like whump or avoid it like the plague, Peter is either the protective big brother or the disciplinary father figure. OT3 and porn is all the rage. So is (unfortunately) non-kink disciplinary fic. I've reached the point where it's become a matter of waiting for that next good story to be written, but going into the fandom I was pleasantly surprised by all the excellent stories it had to offer. The fandom is still young, so it should continue to provide plenty to read. But on the other hand, it's also sinking deeper into OT3 territory, and well-written gen fic is getting harder to find (especially since the definition of gen in this fandom is open to interpretation).

Magnificent 7, if you're not an Ezra fan, then lots of luck to you. I'm a Vin fan, and though I did manage to find some excellent gen Vin fic with the help of [livejournal.com profile] sharpes_hussy, it wasn't long before the pickings became incredibly slim. Most of the stories were a rehash of the same thing - different plot, same injuries: either a head wound or side wound. Every time, a head or side wound, and very few authors deviated from that. It seemed to be all about the comfort and Vin/Chris friendship in M7, the hurt merely a means to an end.

My adventures into the Criminal Minds fandom didn't last long. Again, though I did manage to find some good fic, Reid rape/molestation seemed to be the popular choice of whump and it eventually chased me off.

SGA. Ah, good old SGA :D Still my main fandom squeeze. Seriously, this fandom has spoiled me rotten. Slash might be prevalent and though that annoys me, I can't really complain. SGA not only has an excellent amount of gen writers but gen writers who take writing seriously and write well. There's diversity in the plots, diversity in the whump, and my extreme pickiness aside I can always count on this fandom to eventually satisfy my various plot and whump cravings.

[identity profile] black-raven135.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Concur on all fronts.
I keep returning to SGA......I also like the story lines in LOTR, but the rest is a 'been there, done that' for me.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
I swear there is something about sci-fi/fantasy shows that create the biggest fandoms. Back before the Wincest crap took over Supernatural was so overflowing with stories that I became overwhelmed. There was just too much to read!

And thought I've gotten extremely picky over the years and the fandom has slowed down a bit, SGA is still a very reliable fandom for finding good stories.

[identity profile] black-raven135.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
There is huge variety in writing, even in gen, in LOTR when it involves
Aragorn and Legolas which is why I find it so satisfying.
I still remember some of them and to say the plots are intricate would be putting it mildly and whump equally so...........
What gets me is why they cannot do that in other fandom??
***shrugs****

(Anonymous) 2010-10-23 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
Recently jumped back into Stargate: Atlantis after a brief trip to other corners of the fanfiction world, and I forgot how unbelievably wonderful it is there. Good writing and good plot, and so MUCH of it. This is why I'm always so disappointed in other fandoms... if they could just be more like SGA, I would be so happy. Anywhere else, I go through the good stories and hit a brick wall, but with SGA there's always more to find. SGA taught me that if I think 'I'd like to read a story where happens,' then I can pretty much find something to satisfy that. Other fandoms drive me away with frustration. Somehow, SGA got all of the luck! Happy to be back.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Anywhere else, I go through the good stories and hit a brick wall, but with SGA there's always more to find. SGA taught me that if I think 'I'd like to read a story where happens,' then I can pretty much find something to satisfy that. Other fandoms drive me away with frustration.

Yes! This exactly! It's why I normally don't last long in other fandoms, making SGA pretty much my one true fandom. SGA has satisfied all my cravings, while other fandoms left me incredibly wanting. It's also why I don't like getting involved in other fandoms.

[identity profile] tridget.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure why, but SGA fanfiction has the most wonderful stories and writers. It seems to have writers that really work their craft and produce all sort of tales to satisfy our fanfic cravings and then some.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Very true. It's why I blame SGA for spoiling me rotten :D I think this fandom has pretty much satisfied every craving I've had. In fact, when filling out my request for the Sheppard H/C fic exchange, I didn't know what to request because everything I've wanted to see written has been written :D

[identity profile] swanpride.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Never bothered with the last three shows (although I know a little bit about the M7 Fandome through various crossover with the Sentinel), but what you say about the WC Fandome is so true. I have some strange faszination with the fact that the slash writers are so accepting of Elisabeth (normally, woman in slash-fics have a nearly demon like status), but overall I am pretty frustrated too, because it is nearly impossible to find the gen-stories. Somehow the writers in this fandomes really have the terms mixed up...they write "Neal/Peter" in the summary, but mean that they have written a gen-story with those two as the maincharacter, or they say a story is gen, but in truth it is a slash story without sex.

I'm really spoiled from the sentinel fandome.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not a slash or OT3 fan but, I do have to admit, I do think it's kind of cool that she's not being demonized for the sake of a pairing. I think it's because she's way too difficult to dislike. To make her the bad guy for the sake of a pairing would be like kicking a kitten just because you like puppies... or something like that.

I did a rant post a while back on the broad-spectrum definition of gen and the unfairness of it. Slashers and hetters have their story labels but those not into pairings still have to tread carefully even when a story says gen.

At times (and this may just be me being a little over sensitive, I don't know) I feel like there's a certain disregard for people who are not into pairings. Not in a bitter "all fans of gen suck" kind of way. More that because pairing stories are so prevalent and popular that gen readers kind of get lost in the crowd. At least in the White Collar fandom that's how it feels at times.

[identity profile] swanpride.livejournal.com 2010-10-23 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
You are not the only one, who feels so...I always have the feeling that I have to explain myself, although I am actually a slasher too, but while there are times I am in mood for erotic, generally I prefer plot driven stories with IC characterizations. There is a Gen-Site in the Psych-Fandome...can you imagine that the owner got mails, accusing her of being homophobic? And I think that it's telling that in the WC fandomes many writers put in the summary "no slash", as if this is something one has to warn about.

I actually think that a WC gen site similiar to the psych one would be a great success...you are by far not the only one who is annoyed about this. Since I have posted my story at ff.net I got a lot of feetback and talked to some of the reviewers. Many of them have expressed similiar concerns.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-24 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
I remember there was some community that got grief because it was for gen and het only - not slash. People got all bent out of shape, calling the mods homophobes. I found the reaction rather hypocritical. There are tons of communities dedicated to slash only. Are those people heterophobes for not allowing gen or het?

There's [livejournal.com profile] whitecollared which is a no-slash community. I've also been thinking about doing some kind of gen WC challenge, comment fic or a prompt challenge, at some point in time.

[identity profile] swanpride.livejournal.com 2010-10-25 10:19 am (UTC)(link)
That would be neat...it would be a good opportunity to find all those gen-writers out there (without digging through Collarkink).

If you do it, tell me, so that I can advertise it.

[identity profile] flingslass.livejournal.com 2010-10-26 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so with you here. I keep coming back to SG1/SGA because even with the H/C (which you KNOW, I'm not the hugest fan of, GEN is GEN in the GATE world!

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-26 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
You're not a fan of H/C? I thought you were :S

I had always figured that one fandom was just like another, that no matter where you went there would always be a mix of gen and slash and het, of good writers and not-so-good-writers, of whumpers and non-whumpers, so on and so forth. It was quite the surprise when I came to realize this wasn't the case at all.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-27 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the emoticon I use when I'm confused or horribly disturbed. In this case, confused.

[identity profile] flingslass.livejournal.com 2010-10-29 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I read YOUR stories because they are good not because they have H?C. I like action adventure and Comedy most.
Can't have you confused :D

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2010-10-30 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see now ;) Thank you.

[identity profile] karri-kln1671.livejournal.com 2011-05-08 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
*sigh* *nods* Good fanfic seems to be harder and harder to find across the board these days, but yeah, some fandoms are worse than others. Criminal Minds, for example...I think I've read maybe 2 good CM fanfics, and those were written by SGA authors making brief forays into the fandom. But then, I wonder sometimes if it less that the fanfic is going downhill than that I've just gotten too picking. I want what I want nowadays -- specific characters, specific characterization of those characters, specific genres -- and I have a hard time settling for less.

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
But then, I wonder sometimes if it less that the fanfic is going downhill than that I've just gotten too picking. I want what I want nowadays -- specific characters, specific characterization of those characters, specific genres -- and I have a hard time settling for less.

I would say it's a little bit of both but I think in the end pickiness ends up on top. There's this progression when you first start out in a fandom, where you begin with no expectations and no clear idea of how you view the show and characters (and, in the case of reading, no real expectations except whether or not it satisfies a particular craving), but then the more fic you read, the more you write, and the more you watch the show, the more you start to figure out where you stand - on certain characters, certain episodes, the show itself and quality of writing.

Hope that made sense.

[identity profile] azuritebright.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
Hi! I just recently got into the SGA fandom--do you have any recs? :) I would really appreciate if you could point me the way to some great gen fics! Oh, and I totally know what you mean by the OT3 becoming ever more prevalent in White Collar. :P So true!

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
Got your gen covered :D I will warn you that I'm a major whump and Sheppard fan, should those not be your thing.

Here's a link to my Delicious page where I've bookmarked all my favorite SGA stories - http://www.delicious.com/Stealth_Dragon/sga

[identity profile] azuritebright.livejournal.com 2011-07-03 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, thank you thank you thank you! I love sheppard!whump!!! :D