Hmmm and the Jabberwocky Sequel

[kriadydragon]

First off...

So I was over yonder at the SGA Noticeboard and found a post for a petition sign-up for making McShep canon. Oddly enough, I was more amused by this than annoyed (being the strict Genner that I am) because my first thought was "I wonder if other shippers/slashers will try to do the same for their pairings?" I know McShep is popular, but there are so many pairing - and non-pairing - preferences, plus I bet TPTB get petitions like this all the time. It got me curious, though, of what others might think of this - would you consider this stepping on toes, or just a little harmless fun?

Second off...

Jabberwocky. I really want to one day write the sequel (in fact, I would really love this to be my next chapter fic), but I can't settle on a plot because there's so much I want to do. One idea has the story taking place in Pegasus, the other on Earth, and I can't decide which I should do. So I would like to put it to a vote. Should the sequel happen in Pegasus? Or start out in Pegasus but somehow end up on Earth? Not a must but if you could elaborate on why you voted how you did, that would be great as it might help in finalizing the decision.

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Comments

[flingslass.livejournal.com]

No. ship. canon. no! :(
I'm with you, there's too many types to make one type canon.

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

That was my thought. It would be kind of unfair to those with differing preferences, be they het or slash.

[holly-batali.livejournal.com]

Okay; I'll be honest in saying that the first thing that popped into my mind at the words 'Jabberwocky Sequel' were 'there IS a fanfic god!!!' PLEASE write a sequel. I'm not too sure on where I'd like it to take place, but I'm guessing Pegasus; you can get away with more ;)

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

I'm trying to figure out a way to do both - have an adventure in Pegasus, then have a small one on Earth. I think the reason I keep leaning toward Earth is that I like the idea of Sheppard having to be hunted down by his own people, and his people hutning him but not wanting to hurt him while being assisted by those who don't care how they catch Shep just as long as he's caught. I just don't see that being quite as possible in Pegasus. Not impossible, but it would be harder to get away with, I think.

[ninja007.livejournal.com]

I agree. No ship, no canon.

I do take offense at this. It makes me angry that they believe that everyone feels like they do. That's like saying that everyone in this country is of one religion and trying to vote that way. It makes me feel as though there are some trying to trim me and others like me out of the fandom. *sigh*

I detest McShep, which has become a long running joke for my friends. They know it annoys me, so they keep poking at the button watching me twitch.

However, that said, I do agree with you and they TPTB get these petitions all the time and will ignore it.

I would love to read a sequel to Jabberwocky, but would not presume to tell Michaelangelo how to paint...

anyway you write it, I'd adore to read it.

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

I get the feeling that this petition thing is just a bit of fun for the McSheppers, and that they don't honestly expect it to make a difference. At least I hope they don't as that would be a tad delusional. If it did make a difference, then that would just be wrong - as I said before, McShep may be the fave but the preferences are still too varied to allow that one group should get what they want.

Hey, even Michaelangelo probably needed a little help now and then ;)

[asugar.livejournal.com]

GAG. Are they serious? How could it be made canon when it completely contradicts canon and has zero support in canon? The crack has damaged some people's brains.

[wildcat88.livejournal.com]

Hee! What she said.

[asugar.livejournal.com]

Of course I am brain-damaged too from the crack and too much TV but obviously not as much as some people. LOL.

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

My theory is that this is just the slashers having a bit of fun, and that they don't serisouly expect it to make a difference. Still, there is something a tad offensive about it (unless they marked it as "just for fun" or "doesn't hurt to try" - something to indicate this isn't something they're taking seriously. I haven't actually taken a look at it and may have to). It would be like me petitioning to make Jack and Will on Will and Grace straight, or petitioning that all the SGA cast be converted to a single religion or something.

[asugar.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately I made the mistake of responding somehwat sarcastically to the message and apparently the person is deadly earnest and I am a bigot to imply otherwise. SIGH.

[titan5.livejournal.com]

I do take offense. That is not how the show was written for 5 years and to be honest, if it had been, I probably wouldn't have been watching. I liked Sheppard/Weir pairing, but I respect the fact that a lot of other people don't and I don't try to shove my desire down their throat by trying to make it canon. I say let's all write what we want and people can read or not read.

And you know how much I LOVE Jabberwocky and would LOVE a sequel. To be honest, I don't have a preference between Pegasus and Earth as long as it's Jabberwocky. Okay, I guess I would like at least part of it in Pegasus. Oh, I'm sooooooo excited you are thinking about a sequel.

*jumps up and down clapping*

You just made me very happy - and I REALLY, REALLY needed that!!

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

I do take offense. That is not how the show was written for 5 years and to be honest, if it had been, I probably wouldn't have been watching.

that was my immediate thought after thinking "I wonder if the other-pairing people will try to do the same." Fun or serious, I could see a lot of people bristling over this. Which got me curious as to what people's reactions would be. Oddly enough, I'm actually not offended, mostly because I don't see such a petition actually being considered by TPTB, no more than they would listen to a petition for McKy/Beckett or Ronon/Teyla, for example. If they did listen to it, lots of people will be happy, but lots of people will also be incredibly ticked. Plus TPTB have made their decision.

I am leaning toward having part of Jabberwocky in Pegasus and part on Earth, but we'll see. I really want to write this, but I have so many ideas for it that I can't pin one down.

[susnn.livejournal.com]

I'm leaning toward both places but if it does take place on earth, I'd love for John to be ordered back for a debriefing, sent for some medical tests and then somehow, someway, Area 51 scientists get hold of him and practically commit vivisection for the sake of science and the earth. The temporary SGC commanding just doesn't like freaks and so is not interested in protecting Sheppard and with SG1 off world, O'Neill incommunicado in DC and SGA1 kept out of the loop, John's on his own. Except that some of the military folk at Area 51 find out, think that it is a crime and help Sheppard to escape. Okay, let me rethink this... earth.

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

Hmmmmm... *Ponders*

[susnn.livejournal.com]

I think I like that "hmmmmm."

For some reason I like the image of John in his other form slinking around the corridors of Area 51, or even the mountain, not certain of where he is or who he can trust but desperate to escape. :-)

[timespirt.livejournal.com]

Who are they asking to make it canon? After all the person that came up with the concept for the show really would not go for something like that because the characters belong to them and they didn't write the characters to be that way. If they had wanted that then they would have wrote them that way? Does that make any sense?

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

Makes perfect sense. These aren't our characters, and just because we view a character a certain way doesn't make us right and the creators of that character wrong. I think that's one of the reasons I get so frustrated with slash - the McShep pairing especially - because it is a very "in-your-face" view of the characters. I have seen more comments supoprting that genre and pairing more than any other, and after a while it has a way of getting to you.

[reen212000.livejournal.com]

YES!!!! A SEQUEL!!!!! I don't care where you put them, I have faith you will come up with something just as astonishing as the original.

Ahh, slash. Can't explain the reasons I like it. Maybe it's all my gay friends, or blaming Queer as Folk. I find it entertaining when written well. Making it canon? Silly rabbits. That's what Torchwood is for. There it fits, it's canon, thanks to Captain Jack's established character. But for anything else... not so much. The writers had their characters in mind when they were written. There is no show safe from slash. Fans will write what they want to see in a show, but it's not their place to say a creator got it wrong.

Honestly, I can only read slash. (Okay, I've tried my hand at writing it too. It's hard!) While we've seen both Joe and David kiss boys, but kiss each other? I dunno. My imagination only stretches so far. It's hard to have a crush on a couple of married men, let alone married men acting as a gay couple.

I know. My brain is leaking.

John and Rodney are the perfect best friends. That's how I'll like them always.

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

For a while, there, I thought I wouldn't tackle the sequel. Now I'm having a blast working out the plot:D

There is no show safe from slash. Fans will write what they want to see in a show, but it's not their place to say a creator got it wrong.

I used to think that what annoyed me about slash was the prevalence of it. What actually annoys me is the way people keep trying to push it as being canon, going so far as insulting the writers for "not realizing this and trying to deny it" (and not just in SGA, but other shows and movies). It's one thing when people push it as fact out of fun and games, but I think trying to convince the writers to put McShep into the show is crossing a line.

The concept as a whole makes me nervous. Should I end up writing an original fic that becomes popular, I would hate people hounding me to write my story the way they want (I'm a control freak and hyper-sensitive, so I'd have a hard time with it, especially if people started getting nasty and insulting. I know I shouldn't let things bother me, but that's always easier said than done.) I would have a hard time putting up with it.

[rokhal.livejournal.com]

Oh, heck, yes. I read that thing repeatedly, like Watership Down and X-Men comics. As for setting, Pegasus is crazy, and you do fantastic settings within it, but Earth is a whole different breed of crazy.
Slash is irritating. Maybe it's a reaction against the archetypical male-female romantic interplay, with slash enthusiasts looking to vicariously experience a partnership based on shared respect and equality, but what it does is make it impossible to portray a truly platonic friendship between any two people. Whoever said men are oversexed has never explored fanfiction.

[kriadydragon.livejournal.com]

...but Earth is a whole different breed of crazy.

I think that's why I want to have this take place either eventually or entirely on Earth. Because in Pegasus, having a shape-shifted human running amok probably wouldn't be as big a deal in Pegasus as it would on Earth.

...but what it does is make it impossible to portray a truly platonic friendship between any two people.

You hit the nail on the head as to why slash tends to rile me up. As a genre it doesn't bug me, it's the push to make it canon - the insistance that Sheppard is gay/bi (yes, it does always seem to be Sheppard they're saying this about) - that gets to me after a while. I find it unfair to men in general - that any act of caring on their part - or lack of interest in a woman - will automatically be interpreted as gay. Probably not as prevalent in real life, but I still feel it wrong whether that interpretation happens in real life or on shows. Men can be just as uninterested in a woman as a woman will be uninterested in a man. And, overall, it's just further proof that society as a whole is way too hung up on sex.