Supernatural has begun. I have SGA season three on DVD to watch at my leisure. Danny Messer on CSI:NY is still hot if not hotter. The circle of television life is complete *Contented sigh*
Some SGA pondering. Don't read if you're tired of me talking about it.
Some SGA pondering. Don't read if you're tired of me talking about it.
I've figured that it is mostly fanfiction's fault that I get annoyed with McKay sometimes. I love him on the show but the way he tends to be handled in fanfic, sometimes, grates on my nerves. It's not a constant thing. It's just that a lot of writers tend to handle his character in ways that make him, for me, rather unlikeable, but not because that's their intent. For one, they make him "too much" of an answer man if that makes sense. The guy who is supposedly somewhat socially inept on the show suddenly has all the answers when it comes to emotional dilemmas, mostly for Sheppard. For another, I know he likes to insult, but when it comes to him insulting Sheppard, John doesn't smile and put up with it. He sticks up for himself. And I have yet to hear McKay call John idiot or moron (though I am only one episode in to season three). I'm pretty sure that Rodney calling John an idiot to his face would earn him a slap upside the head.
And I can't begin to tell you how much I hate the majority of stories revolving around Trinity. The whole "John is such a jerk for not forgiving Rodney and trusting him again" thing. Trust isn't something you hand out like candy, and forgiving a person isn't the same as automatically trusting them again. You can stop being angry with someone easily enough, but if it involves broken trust then reearning trust is going to take some time. John didn't strike me as being angry with Rodney for the matter, and I felt Sheppard in the right for giving Rodney the chance to earn his trust back. But too many writers use that episode as fodder for "Poor hurt and helpless McKay stories" where everyone is made into a jerk (Sheppard especially) just so we feel sorry for Rodney.
Yeah, I like Rodney up until I read fanfic. Thankfully the actual show makes the dislike very short-lived. He's a really good character, but fanfic does have this rather nasty habit of skewing characterization.
And I can't begin to tell you how much I hate the majority of stories revolving around Trinity. The whole "John is such a jerk for not forgiving Rodney and trusting him again" thing. Trust isn't something you hand out like candy, and forgiving a person isn't the same as automatically trusting them again. You can stop being angry with someone easily enough, but if it involves broken trust then reearning trust is going to take some time. John didn't strike me as being angry with Rodney for the matter, and I felt Sheppard in the right for giving Rodney the chance to earn his trust back. But too many writers use that episode as fodder for "Poor hurt and helpless McKay stories" where everyone is made into a jerk (Sheppard especially) just so we feel sorry for Rodney.
Yeah, I like Rodney up until I read fanfic. Thankfully the actual show makes the dislike very short-lived. He's a really good character, but fanfic does have this rather nasty habit of skewing characterization.
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Date: 2007-10-05 06:28 pm (UTC)From:I do like a little whumping, but writers tend to make him into a bitch, or a big baby. And the whining! Kids, fellow writers, readers... lend me your pens! Yes McKay has a tendancy to whine about certain things, and I really must hand it to The Hewlett. He's a great actor, and keeps McKay in check.
I get very particular about the McKay in fan fic. Really good Trinity fic is hard to find, especially if you want general angst. There are a couple that I found that pushed my angsty addiction button. I'd share, but ff.net search is offline. Again.
The reason the McKay/Sheppard friendship works is because John can hold his own. It's no fun debating an issue if your fellow banterer capitulates. My favorite line in Adrift? Sheppard: "Dumb this down any further, you're gonna get hit." Love it.
I don't know if anyone's read Seven Days in Atlantis (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3403185/1/), but there's a chapter where Cam Mitchell finds out Sheppard is a mathmatical genius, and of course McKay has to tease. The fic is one of my favorite outsider's POV. Cam sees the relationships and interactions of the Atlantis crew. Well done characterizations. Check it out if you haven't.
Okay, I'm done. Seriously.
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Date: 2007-10-05 09:26 pm (UTC)From:Though Sheppard can be a hard character to grasp, his personality is more my type. McKay's a very interesting character, but he's very chatty and people that chatty - in real life - tend to make me uncomfortable. But I feel Rodney does great angst. I love Rodney angst as, to me, it shows a lot of developement for him. I like Sheppard angst, too, but pure Sheppard angst without him being whumped, too, doesn't cut it for me. To me, it's just a given that Sheppard would be worried. We already knows he cares. Rodney, on the other hand, is more multi-faceted emotionally creating for much broader angst.But that's just my opinion.
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Date: 2007-10-05 09:46 pm (UTC)From:I do agree there were quite a few cliches in this one. I think what I liked most about it was there wasn't too much dwelliing. Maybe. I dunno. I was probably needing something simple and a bit light at the time. Makes me insecure in writing though. Damn cliches! And the one thing that draws me to this fandom is Sheppard's chameleon-like character.
McKay's a very interesting character, but he's very chatty and people that chatty - in real life - tend to make me uncomfortable.
Yeah, I don't like those chatty people. I'm not that talkative, mostly because apparently no one can hear me. LOL I come from the land of soft-talkers. Years of customer service, and working with the outside world has left me cynical and sarcastic.
I love Rodney angst as, to me, it shows a lot of developement for him. I like Sheppard angst, too, but pure Sheppard angst without him being whumped, too, doesn't cut it for me.
Angsty!Rodney is always good when handled properly. Emotional h/c grabs me quicker than the physical, and Sheppard's got a lot of both in fan fic, but not much in canon. Now if I could just get both with a lot angst without them tumbling into bed half the time, it would be awesome!
I should so be working... But it's Friday! I always like your observations and intermissions and have to comment.
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Date: 2007-10-05 11:14 pm (UTC)From:Thanks. I'm always nervous whenever I put up a new discussion, worrying people will think "Oh, great, what she complaining about now?" But I feel that there's something to be learned from these kinds of observations, whether it'll help in writing better fanfic or help in writing original fic (Ex. Since discovering that it is possible to have a Mary Sue in original fic, I've been paying closer attention to how I develope my characters.)
Plus it's just a nice way to vent.